why is there so much animosity
one could easily see that the so called seniors are very rude. this guy might be wrong with the title of his post but than this is what he probably thought. Just because you know something doesn't mean that you have to be rude to others as it must have taken long time for you guys to learn.i didn't see any straight answers or clear reference to anything that these guys have given.
be nice to newbies as once you were also one
Because so many newbies come strutting in here with no idea what they'te talking about, but utterly full of themselves. And because those people can't be bothered with even the minimum level of professional courtesy, like:
1) following the very clear instructions found on this very posting form about stuff like formatting source code 2) selecting the right architecture from the list box (you failed at that) 3) showing at least some evidence of having consulted the bloody manual before posting here 4) describing problems at least a bit more usefully than the proverbial "My car won't start, so what's wrong with it?" 5) reacting to counter-questions at least a bit more usefully than the proverb's continuation: "What do you mean, you can't tell over the phone?!" 6) checking at least superficially if this is even the right forum to ask in, before doing so 7) trying not to be the 50th person to ask the exact same question
i didn't see any straight answers or clear reference to anything that these guys have given.
"These guys" being who in partiular? You posted this entirely out of context.
And it's not exactly our fault if it took three kicks in the pants until the guy you're most likely referring to could finally be persuaded to crack open the document containing his answer.
What you perceive as animosity from the regulars is actually mostly self-defense in the face of newbies' constant rudeness.
To be fair, it might be helpful to have a link that says before asking a question to go to:
www.8052.com/.../120112
and read the bible chapters. Honestly, I didn't even know those links existed until you pointed me that direction. If you told everyone to start there before posting, it could probably save you guys some time and frustration.
If you told everyone to start there before posting, it could probably save you guys some time and frustration.
Given the "success" this forum is having with information placed right there between the place where you enter the subject and the place where you enter your text, which is even marked-up in bold already, I estimate the probability of that having any effect to be indistinguishable from zero.
Indeed.
And it's little or no different on other forums which do have a "Read This First" and/or "FAQ" and/or whatever.
:-(
The truth here is that a significant percent of people posting questions on forums are very lazy. They could find their answers within minutes by using Google or some alternative search engine.
But that requires them to read. And they also assume that maybe any answers they find aren't applicable to them. So they want customized answers only for them.
One guy who posted on this forum specifically thought that since he payed for Internet, he had the _right_ to demand answers.
For some reason, lots of people don't have the ability to realize that it is other people who do write the answers. And that it takes time to write answers. And that we aren't motivated to write any answers if we don't feel it is giving _us_ something back. Writing the same answer that Google turns up 200 hits of really does not give us any satisfaction. It only wastes our time.
Might be fun the first time. Not the tenth or hundredth time you see the same - or almost same - question asked.
Who, exactly, is the "you" there?
This forum is owned & maintained by Keil - not by the contributors.
The forum is supposed to be for discussions about Keil products, but the vast majority of questions have nothing to do with Keil - hence it's probably not high on Keil's priority list...
ha. this is funny. i asked a few questions here before when i was just starting out and all i got was some guy saying Please read the manual in a demeaning way every time. soon learnt the guy is someone who has nothing better to do than post similar responses on a whole load of forums. seems it's a simple way to increase their post count and get an expert status.
Then tell me where you can see any "post count" or "expert status" for the different posters on this site. This site doesn't even have real accounts with passwords and login...
So link your original thread, so we can see what you asked, and what answers you got.
Why? Here is why:
i tried it but am not able to get any code
at http://www.keil.com/forum/21168/
i asked a few questions here before when i was just starting out
No, you didn't. This is the first time ever anyone posted here using that name.
Interesting that you should try to falsely claim a higher post count of your own to give credibility to your claim that some unnamed person bolstered their own post count to gain purportedly undeserved credibility. That's actually quite funny.
it might be if it were fiction.
and for what its worth i never said that the expert status and post count was reported on this forum.
instead of being so one dimensional and defensive in looking for my name youd spend your time better by looking for the Please read the manual responses!
Are you saying that threads could not have a valid outcome of sending the requester to read the documentation?
Are you saying that threads should always duplicating the available documentation? Again, and again, and again?
no and no. but someone who clearly does not know the answer and just says Please read the manual with no sensible follow up is someone who should consider whether that response is of value. and quite frequently its just Please read the manual with no reference to the relevant part of the documentation!
its not always the original question that should be considered stupid and a waste of time!
i am not going to post an example or give clues. there are plenty there for you to find but i suspect you just want to go defensive.
So link to that magic thread where someone who "clearly does not know the answer" says that the OP should read the documentation.
And sometimes, there should not need to be any reference, because the source of information should be so obvious. You don't need a link to find Google, do you? And 8051 + GSM + SMS should be quite obvious search words?
No - I think you are avoiding examples because you are not so sure you can find good examples. Telling us that were just "going defensive" is shying away from your original argument.
you are quite wrong. of more than 21000 threads covering more than 12 years you think not one example exists? did you look? no. as i expected it looks like you did go defensive.
No. But your post is quite meaningless. If there were but "one example", then this forum would be one of the best forums in the world. If there are 100 such threads, it would still be an excellent forum.
But for this thread to be meaningful, you should be able to link a large number of examples, since there is only reason to complain if a significant percentage of threads are relevant to this debate.
Your implication was that it wasn't one of the seldom-posters who did a Please read the manual without being close to knowing anything about the subject. So show some proof. You make a claim, you put some weight behind it with proofs.
Can you post 5 threads out of the most recent 100 threads, where someone just got a "Please read the manual" answer and: 1) it is likely that the one suggesting to read the documentation didn't know the answer 2) it really wasn't a good suggestion to spend time with the documentation?