why is there so much animosity
one could easily see that the so called seniors are very rude. this guy might be wrong with the title of his post but than this is what he probably thought. Just because you know something doesn't mean that you have to be rude to others as it must have taken long time for you guys to learn.i didn't see any straight answers or clear reference to anything that these guys have given.
be nice to newbies as once you were also one
Because so many newbies come strutting in here with no idea what they'te talking about, but utterly full of themselves. And because those people can't be bothered with even the minimum level of professional courtesy, like:
1) following the very clear instructions found on this very posting form about stuff like formatting source code 2) selecting the right architecture from the list box (you failed at that) 3) showing at least some evidence of having consulted the bloody manual before posting here 4) describing problems at least a bit more usefully than the proverbial "My car won't start, so what's wrong with it?" 5) reacting to counter-questions at least a bit more usefully than the proverb's continuation: "What do you mean, you can't tell over the phone?!" 6) checking at least superficially if this is even the right forum to ask in, before doing so 7) trying not to be the 50th person to ask the exact same question
i didn't see any straight answers or clear reference to anything that these guys have given.
"These guys" being who in partiular? You posted this entirely out of context.
And it's not exactly our fault if it took three kicks in the pants until the guy you're most likely referring to could finally be persuaded to crack open the document containing his answer.
What you perceive as animosity from the regulars is actually mostly self-defense in the face of newbies' constant rudeness.
To be fair, it might be helpful to have a link that says before asking a question to go to:
www.8052.com/.../120112
and read the bible chapters. Honestly, I didn't even know those links existed until you pointed me that direction. If you told everyone to start there before posting, it could probably save you guys some time and frustration.
you are quite wrong. of more than 21000 threads covering more than 12 years you think not one example exists? did you look? no. as i expected it looks like you did go defensive.
No. But your post is quite meaningless. If there were but "one example", then this forum would be one of the best forums in the world. If there are 100 such threads, it would still be an excellent forum.
But for this thread to be meaningful, you should be able to link a large number of examples, since there is only reason to complain if a significant percentage of threads are relevant to this debate.
Your implication was that it wasn't one of the seldom-posters who did a Please read the manual without being close to knowing anything about the subject. So show some proof. You make a claim, you put some weight behind it with proofs.
Can you post 5 threads out of the most recent 100 threads, where someone just got a "Please read the manual" answer and: 1) it is likely that the one suggesting to read the documentation didn't know the answer 2) it really wasn't a good suggestion to spend time with the documentation?
no. i will not provide any. doing so would obviously provide a name and it is not my duty to name and shame an individual. if you cannot find such an example then fine. if you cannot find others who have commented on such posts then fine. i know whose responses to trust and whose to ignore. there are some excellent contributors here. there are some frequent contributors here. there are even some excellent frequent contributors here. unfortunately there are some frequent contributors who seem to post to simply boost their ego. for what its worth i normally trust your posts. in this case you seem to have your blinkers on and in this case i think you are wrong.
it might be if it were fiction.
Your claim of having asked for help here before is fiction.
you think not one example exists?
Why should anyone bother to think about that? It's your claim that this not only happened once, but rather that it was some kind of typical behaviour. The onus for proving that claim is on you. And no, a single example wouldn't prove that.
did you look? no.
Aha, so now you're a telepath, too. You're getting funnier by the minute.
would you like me to lend you a copy of simple logic theory?
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Nah. You keep that --- you need it more.
look back at your deduction. or rather the lack of.
But wait now - logic theory claims that a single example doesn't prove that a significant number of threads contains what you claim they contains.
Which was why I said to show a selection of examples from last 100 threads.
What part do you find wrong with that?
And that entirely insubstantial admonishment is all you, proud owner of a book on simple logic theory, could come up with? Must be not a very good book, then. It seems to teach stuff like "proof of a generalized statement by claim of existence of one example" and "proving your point is the job of your opposition".
That looks like I'll have to amend my earlier advice: you should not keep that book --- you should burn it and get a better one.
start with a 7400 and work up from there!
So, once more you resort to plain and utter nonsense. From that I deduce we've been wrong giving you the benefit of the doubt this long, and that you really are a 100% pure-breed troll, and as such best ignored. Good luck with your miserable life, and good bye.
EOD.
the text has now got a reasonable amount of proof.
qed.
So we got a claim.
And no backing, when asking for examples.
Then a claim of bad logic, when no bad logic had been used.
Then a random jump to "7400" when asking about that bad logic - an attempt to cover the tracks.
This is a good example of a thread where no one can help, because there are no proper foundation to build on.
so. in order for you to believe me i must provide a name of the offender? NO.
i prefer you to consider me a troll rather than do that!
besides, i have no doubt that the person in question knows who they are.
Had you actually read any manual(s) before posting?
Did you subsequently read any manual(s)?
Why do you consider reading manuals "demeaning"?
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