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Hi guys! 

 
Whether there is somebody who tried the new version of uVision4
based on the Scintilla editor? 
Such *** I yet did not see! 
Where illumination of labels? 
Where put illumination of keywords? 
Why memory windows and assembly do not change</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/147853?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:08:12 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:cb0e610a-3e8c-459a-9559-4b8c6aa009bc</guid><dc:creator>Gaseous Trousers</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
So you&amp;#39;re complaining about something I will pretend you said
regardless of whether you did or did not say anything like it and
then deride you publicly for your gross stupidity and show my
ultimate superiority over you and every other poster on this and
every other forum. You are clearly a fool and I will not waste any
more time on you. Goodbye.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
And yes, I like the word &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/146960?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:24:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:8834be23-6b29-4842-a5b4-7a0398b145d2</guid><dc:creator>HansBernhard Broeker</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Many firms allows to do backup of source files! Why not
Keil?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
So you&amp;#39;re claiming that Keil &lt;b&gt;forbids&lt;/b&gt; you making backup
files? I&amp;#39;m rather certain that&amp;#39;s not actually true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/146956?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:14:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:881a28a4-1eb4-4911-9656-e95131479001</guid><dc:creator>doubt that my ISP Al Bradford</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
IGOR;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Maybe you should learn to use the tools before complaining over
much. Keil supports backup *BAK files. Keil supports save on exit,
save on compile and save when you damn well want to save. I can&amp;#39;t
think of another save option that you might need except SVN and Keil
supports that as a add-on tool.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Bradford&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/146958?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:08:08 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:7d0d6a4c-62ae-450d-ab4b-19c605353c03</guid><dc:creator>ImPer Westermark</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
You get angry because we don&amp;#39;t have the same problems as you?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Dear you - not everyone will put the same weight on different
issues. Not everyone even wants the editor to take own decisions when
to save source files.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
So why do you feel it is our culture that is lacking? Take three
steps back and reevaluate your point of view because it seems very,
very self-centered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/145450?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:54:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:1347e9a0-d11c-4a52-956c-0daac92af222</guid><dc:creator>Igor Krotov</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Dear Erik!&lt;br /&gt;
Many firms allows to do backup of source files! Why not Keil?&lt;br /&gt;
I feel my pain and problem are not interesting to someone.&lt;br /&gt;
All have any other problems.&lt;br /&gt;
Good bye all!&lt;br /&gt;
It is a pity to me that nobody was interested by so important things
in programming, I&amp;#39;ll be waiting for all of yours programming culture
progress.&lt;br /&gt;
// Igor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143317?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:58:34 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:2d897417-09fb-4f1f-83ca-2a5fa9db8d39</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;For example, my computer works, works, works, but AC power may
be lost. Where is my last source edition?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
if you use the IDE editor the source file is written before
compile&lt;br /&gt;
if you use an external editor the source file must be written before
compile&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/140453?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 13:52:27 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:90858186-ca6e-4fad-acdc-3956bdc507bb</guid><dc:creator>Igor Krotov</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Hello, Erik!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Thank&amp;#39;s for Your answers, I had many experiments with Silabs
MCUs.&lt;br /&gt;
So, how You said, their&amp;#39;s devices provides a sure behaviour at
hardware measurements.&lt;br /&gt;
I must say more. I&amp;#39;m interested by MCU at low level. The SYSCLK
clocks is more significant for me than text created by programmer.
But this no yet. My questions are oriented only to make programmer&amp;#39;s
life better, backups of programmer&amp;#39;s source code are strongly and
strongly needs. For example, my computer works, works, works, but AC
power may be lost. Where is my last source edition? I&amp;#39;m feel fine!
Would You like to say about this with Your Boss? I don&amp;#39;t think
that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Igor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143330?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 07:22:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:081696b8-d214-4d88-9613-71c4ff3d6cea</guid><dc:creator>j marsden</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Although Mr Broeker normally talks like the stuff that comes out
the backside of the male bovine, on this point he is possibly
correct. One thing is for sure, no chosen editor will please
everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/140455?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 02:49:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:96697f1c-08f9-452c-9b79-8fc11226084c</guid><dc:creator>HansBernhard Broeker</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;sure there is, drop the editor and provide interfaces to the
most popular REAL editors&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
That&amp;#39;s no solution ... it&amp;#39;s capitulation. An &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt;DE that
doesn&amp;#39;t even haven an &lt;b&gt;integrated&lt;/b&gt; editor has stopped being what
it says it is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Not even to mention that no matter how many of those popular
editors you&amp;#39;ve integrated, people will still complain that
&lt;b&gt;their&lt;/b&gt; personal favourite isn&amp;#39;t on that list.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/140456?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 23:29:46 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:28d26361-90af-4bcf-941e-d1bd9e580edd</guid><dc:creator>Andy Neil</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
No, I think that would inconvenience more than it helps!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I suspect that most people don&amp;#39;t want to have to mess about with
finding &amp;amp; integrating their own editor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I tend to agree that Eclipe is probably the way to go. Sure, it
has its own annoyances - but at least it is (or would be) standard
across multiple vendors...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/136918?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:45:43 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:d268e006-c958-4293-a953-b7b958abb8d3</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Lesson learned: there really is no way of getting this right to
everyone&amp;#39;s satisfaction.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
sure there is, drop the editor and provide interfaces to the most
popular REAL editors&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/127911?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 14:50:41 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:884f9f1e-f3a0-4624-b9f6-9ef1dfeb727f</guid><dc:creator>HansBernhard Broeker</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Another possible solution would be for the vendors to use a
proven high-quality editor component from a third party.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Which appears to be exactly what Keil did in a recent update to
uVision: they switched to Scintilla, if memory serves. And look what
it got them: even louder complaints than they used to receive for
their own editor in recent times.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Lesson learned: there really is no way of getting this right to
everyone&amp;#39;s satisfaction.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I&amp;#39;m convinced that the Eclipse way is the right general idea.
Given that there&amp;#39;s almost certainly no such thing as the one, perfect
IDE that everyone will accept without reservations, let&amp;#39;s at least
settle on the next best thing: &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; entirely usable,
full-featured IDE core that everybody can use free of charge, and
build their own extensions on top of. The world doesn&amp;#39;t need more
than one, maybe two of those.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Sure, Eclipse does have its own quirks and limitations, but at
least it has only &lt;b&gt;one&lt;/b&gt; set of those, which allows one to
eventually find work-arounds for, or learn to accept them. But that&amp;#39;s
still way better than having dozens of IDEs each with its own set of
different quirks and limitations, not to mention the truly
inexcusable blunders each of those seemingly has to have at least one
of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/145452?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 12:25:10 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:420a2efb-b77e-4d4f-a09c-f8994c594034</guid><dc:creator>Silly Sausage</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Absolutely.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Having the ability to move about files quickly and efficiently
with a minimum amount of keypresses can be such a major timesaver.
Also, using the decent one editor in this way means you don&amp;#39;t have to
keep hitting the &lt;i&gt;slight differences&lt;/i&gt; that inevitably exist
between different IDEs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I started with Brief (when it was owned by &lt;i&gt;underware&lt;/i&gt;, well
before Borland got their mitts on it) and have now standardised on
SlickEdit. I can now even go between different platforms with that
same efficiency. Really nice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I&amp;#39;ve just found that an updated version of Brief is still
available at &lt;a href="http://www.briefeditor.com/"&gt;http://www.briefeditor.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143321?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:46:20 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:0e1bb02d-3e3d-479f-8734-d486fd1e316d</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;How much time can the perfect editor save me in
reality?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
nothing, if you do not care.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
lots if you do.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
e.g. if you &amp;#39;steal&amp;#39; some of your code to use in a modified fashion
elsewhere. a REAL editor is a fantastic timesaver getting formatting
etc to be right after deleting and inserting the needed
modifications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
also a REAL editor, has far better search abilities than a
&amp;quot;compiler maker provided&amp;quot; one which can be a timesaver during
debugging.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
also, if you use some manufacturer supplied code (as a base), with
a REAL editor it is a breeze to change the formatting to your
standard, with a &amp;quot;compiler maker provided&amp;quot; one you almost may as well
retype.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
the &amp;#36;300 or so for CodeWright are recaptured in a month or
two.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Erik&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143319?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:43:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:b1f42f47-ebdf-4415-aa6e-59dd5dbbf2e8</guid><dc:creator>Andy Neil</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Not so far as I know.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Last time I asked, there was &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; support&lt;/b&gt; and
&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt; development&lt;/b&gt; - yet they still thought it reasonable
to charge full price if you wanted a copy!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;&amp;quot;Notepad++ has many features&amp;quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;pre&gt;
Quantity != Quality
&lt;/pre&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Althought I have recently been using Notepad++ and found it pretty
good.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143320?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:28:06 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:75157c57-3ef5-4394-8370-fc64d055716b</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Is there a new release since Borland bought and killed
Codewright?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Not to my knowledge. 7.5 seems to be the end.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I have a suspicion that someone with a BIG say at Borland is an
inferior editor maker. Borland first killed Brief, then
CodeWright.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Some like to hide their own lack of abilities by attacking those
of others.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Erik&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/140445?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:42:22 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:74d18388-e321-4bed-9fb6-44b860ecb4ad</guid><dc:creator>doubt that my ISP Al Bradford</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
CodeWright or Coderight or Code&lt;i&gt;w&lt;/i&gt;right. I now see why I so
often mis-spell their name. My question. Is there a new release since
Borland bought and killed Code&lt;i&gt;w&lt;/i&gt;right?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Notepad++ has many features.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Bradford&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/143318?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:52:24 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:07526153-7f0d-4d28-b96d-3d97f201e891</guid><dc:creator>ImPer Westermark</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;set a timer to zero at the beginning set a breakpoint at
beginning and end and you get the execution time including cache
misses&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Have you verified it? It very much depends on how the timers are
handled when the processor core handles a breakpoint. To get usable
values, the timer clock input must be gated by the breakpoint logic
so the timers locks up at exact same time the program stops.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Many chips are totally unable to use breakpoints for measuring
time. The best they can do is to have the code instrumented with
actual processor instructions to read out the raw timer values
before/after.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/140457?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:11:59 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:346ab283-bdb2-4f24-b978-d19192ce8bac</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;Erik: Can the debug interface on the Silabs chip count clocks?
If it can&amp;#39;t then it isn&amp;#39;t a solution for someone who wants to count
exact time consumption for a code block.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
set a timer to zero at the beginning set a breakpoint at beginning
and end and you get the execution time &lt;b&gt;including cache
misses&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Erik&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/136921?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:30:14 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:74629dca-b262-40a2-b988-2d9863d7ffb6</guid><dc:creator>Andy Neil</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I have yet to find the perfect editor!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
98% of the time, I&amp;#39;ll just use whatever&amp;#39;s to hand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Occasionally, when there is a big task to which one editor is
particularly well suited, I&amp;#39;ll switch editors &lt;i&gt;for that
task&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
eg, CodeWright is the best I&amp;#39;ve found for column edit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/127910?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 05:53:50 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:3a3e2db4-97ca-4bce-8744-868ffa1f63b0</guid><dc:creator>Bill Gates</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
What is it about developers that get emotional on editors. Maybe I
do something wrong, but I am effectively typing/editing code 10% of
my development time. How much time can the perfect editor save me in
reality? I want an editor to give me proper view and navigation of
existing code.&lt;br /&gt;
In the uVision editor I am mainly missing some Intellisense type
feature. But that wouldn&amp;#39;t let me enrage like the original
poster.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/119908?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 04:11:25 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:4eb5ff5d-de2d-4a52-976d-6eabd7669647</guid><dc:creator>Mike Kleshov</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;the editors the Keil people (who should stick to what they are
good at (compilers) provide are all pitiful&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
I don&amp;#39;t think compilers is their strong point either. By the way,
the ARM compiler is actually RealView (basically made by ARM.) They
do have nice debuggers, rather accurate simulators covering lots of
chips, and overall integration is good (and it is a lot of work.)&lt;br /&gt;
What annoys me is how development tools vendors keep reinventing the
same wheel - the editor. It ends up an utter failure every time. They
should probably converge towards a common IDE (Eclipse?) It does seem
like this is beginning to happen. But Eclipse has its own problems, I
guess. Another possible solution would be for the vendors to use a
proven high-quality editor component from a third party.&lt;br /&gt;
As for me, I use an external editor and Makefile for building. I only
have to run the native IDE for debugging. I can see the value of the
native IDE for novice programmers, or for small projects. For large
projects, it will only be a liability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/136920?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:16:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:91d94b93-f702-4310-bd22-fbd1bf831bc8</guid><dc:creator>ImPer Westermark</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Erik: Can the debug interface on the Silabs chip count clocks? If
it can&amp;#39;t then it isn&amp;#39;t a solution for someone who wants to count
exact time consumption for a code block.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&amp;quot;Where is a settings of period to source file backup? It&amp;#39;s very
important for every programmer!&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Having an editor do automatic backup isn&amp;#39;t a very important
feature. It can even be a directly bad feature, compared to the
alternative solution: an editor keeps a backup of the old file when
saving.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
When doing changes to code, I prefer to select my own save points
when the code is in a stable state. With automatic backup, it can be
saved when I have removed a source line from one location, but before
I have pasted it into the new position. So I get a dangerous backup
copy with a bug introduced.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Not only that - I want to do small changes and commit them so that
it is easy to look at individual commits and identify if they
introduced a behaviour change of the code or was just a
quality-improvement of the code - maybe in preparation for
introducing new functionality. With big commits, it isn&amp;#39;t obvious
which code changes that relates to which part of the check-in
comments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Another question here - what do you need that auto-backup for?
Your computer regularly fails? My machine only reboots when M&amp;#36;
updates requires me to explicitly reboot. And the machine does not
hang on its own. Last 12 months I have had uVision goof once,
resulting in uVision dying unexpectedly. And that happend during a
state change (start of a simulation) and not while editing code.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
But yes - the editor component of uVision is lacking. Luckilly, I
do most work with an older version of uVision before they switched
editor component. The old one was also lacking but with less actual
bugs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/127900?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:07:36 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:3823eb96-f6a3-4d7a-b1be-efe4be4a3407</guid><dc:creator>&amp;#178;erik malund</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
I do not use simulation. so 1-3 I&amp;#39;ll leave alone. By the way,
since you use SILabs why do you even simulate? I know no simulator
for any processor that works &amp;#39;perfect&amp;#39;. The JTAG debugging is always
true.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;4. I&amp;#39;m a Russian programmer, I would like to see a Russian
fonts in my memory window to debug an LCD interface (I use
XRAM-memory buffer to periodic update the LCD).&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;5. Where is a settings of period to source file backup? It&amp;#39;s
very important for every programmer!&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
&lt;i&gt;6. Actually, so, there are any more questions to Keil team
about how to do their product better.&lt;br /&gt;
I think, You will force this process..&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Keil makes an excellent &lt;b&gt;principal&lt;/b&gt; product, their
&lt;b&gt;principal&lt;/b&gt; product is not the editor. All the above is solved
by using an editor made by editor people as opposed to limping
editors made by compiler people. NOTE: I have the exact same
complaint about IAR.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Erik&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>RE: New uVision libel</title><link>https://community.arm.com/thread/117109?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:53:38 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">dd9e70c8-6d3c-4c71-b136-2456382a7b5c:e52f1f40-f4ef-4ac0-8821-028fc478ab60</guid><dc:creator>Igor Krotov</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Hello Erik,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Thank You for the detail information about uVision&amp;#39;s
alternatives,&lt;br /&gt;
but nothing to do with me.&lt;br /&gt;
There are some unresolved questions:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
1. Why quantity of cycles at performance of branch instructions in
a simulator do not match a physical SiLabs CIP51 kernel? For example,
JZ instruction will be executed always for an equal time? I would
like to debug my assembly subroutines before I&amp;#39;ll produce them.
uVision lies here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
2. I&amp;#39;m a lover of uVision simulator, but where is a bit-wising
display?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
3. Why I cannot adjust a format of representation for each
variable separately? For example, in Phyton environment this problem
has resolve very good! In colour, besides!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
4. I&amp;#39;m a Russian programmer, I would like to see a Russian fonts
in my memory window to debug an LCD interface (I use XRAM-memory
buffer to periodic update the LCD).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
5. Where is a settings of period to source file backup? It&amp;#39;s very
important for every programmer!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
6. Actually, so, there are any more questions to Keil team about
how to do their product better.&lt;br /&gt;
I think, You will force this process..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
PS: Sorry for my bad English.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Igor//&lt;/p&gt;
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